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Frank's avatar

My impression is that "abundance liberals" pick and choose what's to be abundant and what's not, and have no or few principles. Perhaps a better name would be "paucity liberals."

[My own principles are classical liberalism, which allows government sponsored insurance where it can reasonably be expected the market would not do a good job. That includes redistribution as income insurance. To put it perhaps unpopularly: Freedom of contract + Bismarck!]

When I read that the governors of CA, CO, and NY are sympathetic to YIMBY'ism, my hair stands on end! I take it as camouflage, or trivial.

I'm sorry, I can't take these guys seriously.

Andy G's avatar

“If the market gets things mostly right, as I think abundance liberals would mostly concede,”

I do not think most abundance liberals would mostly concede that.

I do concede that the center-left Piper likely would do so.

I do not believe that either “Abundance” author Ezra Klein or Yglesias would.

If you can show evidence that they have said this, or can get them to publicly agree to this, then your claim that “MAGA Republicans” a.k.a. Trump are further from libertarians than left-liberals might possibly have merit.

As two decidedly non-trivial examples, do you think either of Yglesias or Klein would agree that markets mostly get healthcare right? Do you think they would agree that - even given public funding of same - markets should be used to deliver education to K-12 age children?

That they would concede that markets are often better than today’s hard progressive left admits is not the same thing at all as your claim.

When you cannot get them to agree to your quoted claim, perhaps you will reconsider this position.

FWIW, here is ChatGPT’s short reply when I asked it if the authors of the book “Abundance” agree with your claim: https://chatgpt.com/share/6a18e1e8-bcb0-83eb-bd1e-e555823b4eef

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