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I'll just point out that with respect to trans stuff it has moved WAY past me being able to simply let people do their thing and not try to change them, as you say. Me being required to address men as "her" does require something of me. In my workplace I have to participate since management itself is either complicit or feeling bullied by the larger cultural move. Having men in women's spaces (and sports) and teaching my kids things that are untrue actively involves people. From my own perspective I simply hate being preached to and gaslit by the overbearing group who run the media and institutions. I feel the need to fight back on those grounds alone.

Anyone who perceives this issue as people just trying to do their own thing without being harassed is either disingenuous or not paying attention.

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The problem is not much conceptual categories as the practical and realistic need for some acceptable rule to divide large groups into distinct sungrouos in legitimate ways that best serve the purposes of the division. For transsexuals two common examples are sex-exclusive segregated collective spaces like restrooms, locker rooms, prisons, dorm rooms, and so forth. And also sex-exclusive segregated activities like athletic competitions or boy scouts / girl scouts.

So for sports, if one views the rationale for segregating by sex as legitimate, there is the question of what to do with a biological male with masculine physical advantages but who claims to be a female should be allowed to compete directly against biological females. In one's mind perhaps there is plenty of space to assign such an individual to one of the many granular conceptual categories for gender and sexuality. Conceptually one is not limited to binary choices. But in reality there is a pragmatic necessity to narrow things down to a few categories that fit the vast majority of the population, and now one needs an actual bright-line policy to decide where it is allowed for this person to go. And people care a lot about how the social consensus is formed about such questions because they really care about the consequences of the answers to those questions. I'm guessing you're familiar with the many recently reported examples of women complaining about biological men with male genitalia waking nude in female locker rooms and making many of them feel very uncomfortable in a space they feel should be reserved exclusively for biological women. Or of the many cases of female athletes complaining about having to go against biologically male athletes when the whole point of female-exclusive athletics is that biological males at the top of some spott almost always possess crushing physical advantage to the extent that practically zero females would be competitive at any sport if they had to go against the men and every athlete in every competitive sport would be male with women nearly entirely shut out. It has nothing to do with their mental frustration and desire for simple categories, but yes, they are obviously going to care very deeply about the answer to such questions, and for obvious (and I would say perfectly valid) reasons.

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