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Gunflint's avatar

I’m with Woody Allen on this one. I’m not afraid of dying. I just don’t want to be there when it happens.

Good joke, but also kind of true. I’m not afraid of being dead but the actual process of going through that door seems like it could be unpleasant.

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There's some small amount of writing about limited lifespans and evolution, particularly about differences in lifespans between species. I don't know how much is reasonably based on research (probably modeling or similar) and how much is "just so" stories.

What I gather from this is that:

- if the death rate from causes other than aging is high, evolution favours "live fast, spawn copiously, and die young". There's no point evolving longevity if odds are you'll die young of predation, accident, disease, etc. etc.

- if the non-aging death rate is lower, evolution moves towards a longer lifespan, and often a later start to producing offspring. Maybe fewer offspring too, each with more parental investment. You can see this with (some) pairs of closely related species in environments with large differences in non-aging mortality.

- if an older individual has big reproductive advantages, such that spawning early nets you a small clutch, with each year's potential clutch increasing, you get the big mama fish phenomenon, and negligible aging - each year the fish survives, it's bigger, and can produce more offspring than the year before. Evolution strongly favours individuals of such a species not aging.

- as far as I know, 2 species have evolved menopause - females stop producing new offspring long before aging would be likely to kill them. I'm not satisfied that we fully understand this, except for the obvious - already-produced offspring must do better under this system, such that the menopausal female has more (great)grandchildren on average than a non-menopausal but otherwise similar female. Humans are one of these species, so this probably matters to understanding human aging.

One other point: humans have an enviably low non-aging death rate, at least in "advanced" countries. This ought to be creating evolutionary pressures towards longer breeding lifetimes. Except of course that most of us stop breeding well before out bodies can't do it, either for reasons of investment in existing children or simply because evolution hasn't made us into instinct-driven breeding robots - we have goals separate from yet more babies. (Some of us even work hard to force competitors to have babies they don't want!)

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