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Joy Schwabach's avatar

I feel dumb for not having thought of the possible alliances you named. Of course you're right, there are some abundance liberals who might agree to vouchers in some cases. It's just that they're so hostile to school vouchers that I didn't think of it. And we all know that liberarians and leftists are aligned on drug and social issues. But your examples pointed at the thorniest differences between us, temporarily blinding me.

I sometimes think there's a great emotional difference between the two positions. But I agree with John Stuart Mill, that one should pursue an answer no matter where it leads you, no matter how uncomfortable the solution. Are abundance liberals (of the garden variety, not the intellectuals you know) more adverse to new ideas than libertarians?

My brother, for example, said he "couldn't read Milton Friedman's Free to Choose" because of the tone. And a close friend had the same reaction to David Henderson's "The Joy of Freedom." What tone, I wondered? To me, both are full of plain common sense. But for these people, asking them to read those books was like asking them to eat a dish with a repugnant smell.

I often feel that abundance liberals are so bound up in emotional reasons for favoring the poor that they can't open their eyes for one second to solutions that would help the poor a lot more. In the 1980s, when I was interviewing my favorite free market economist thinkers over the phone, including David Friedman, Milton Friedman, Judge Posner and about ten others, I often noticed that many had humble roots. I think there's something about being born upper class that tends to make one either rigidly conservative or socialistic to prove that they care.

Abi Olvera's avatar

I've been squarely in the left abundance camp. Libertarians have been super helpful in flagging opportunities to help the poor that I think can make for really impactful alliances:

- Scope of practice laws make it so that nurses and lower-level medical providers can't diagnose or treat patients, which is a huge access issue in health care.

- Occupational licensing has a big impact on prices of everyday goods, which will particularly hit the lower classes harder.

- The fact that so much occupational licensing has a good moral character clauses means that people with criminal records can't work.

This feels a lot to me like what building an abundance agenda is: picking and choosing things that libertarians have been pointing at, perhaps for other reasons like market deregulation, but elevating the ones with big impacts on the social good.

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