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Christopher F. Hansen's avatar

'If we applied the same standards to testing moral reality — rough consistency at the most basic level of perception — the case for it does not look that much worse.'

I've seen this argument before. Michael Huemer likes to say similar things, as you point out.

I think it's totally wrong. I'm actually a moral anti-realist myself, and as you might expect, I don't find this to be at all confusing or in conflict with my intuitions, whereas a non-belief in the existence of the physical world definitely would be.

Of course I have lots of thoughts and (sometimes strong) emotions about moral behavior, but this doesn't conflict with my intuitions, because I correctly recognize that as a fact about my own psychological makeup, not about 'moral reality'.

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William H Stoddard's avatar

This one was addressed long, long ago by Plato, in the Euthyphro, where Socrates asks, "Do the gods love holy things because they are holy, or are holy things holy because the gods love them?" I've seen it said (I think by Anthony Flew) that an appreciation of the point of this question is one of the marks of a philosopher.

If the good is good because the gods like it, or command it, then the statement that the gods are good is merely a tautology, empty of content; we would still have to say that the gods were good if they commanded that we kill our fathers, marry our mothers, or torture our guests. But if the word "good" has actual content, so that saying that the gods are good means something definite, beyond "you had better praise the gods because they are more powerful than you are," then we must have the capacity to judge for ourselves that something is good, and then we don't need the gods to tell us what is good.

Ironically, this distinction is important to Ayn Rand's philosophy, though she doesn't credit it to Plato. She rejects the idea that ethical egoism means "I want this, and therefore it's good," which she calls "whim-worship"; her version is "this is good, and therefore I want it." This is something that a lot of her critics seem not to get, perhaps because the assumption that ethical judgment cannot be rational is so deeply ingrained that they see only a choice between the arbitrary commands of God and the arbitrary commands of one's own desires. That might have been true of Stirnerite egoism but it was not true of Randian egoism.

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