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अक्षर - Akshar's avatar

Among the various questions you have posed on your substack, this appears to be easiest at least in my perspective.

> Dinner date vs paying cash for romance

You are not buying the same thing in these cases. When you pursue romance through the complex mating rituals such as dinner at restaurants you are basically creating a barrier that keeps a certain type of women out. Also, the woman's willingness to engage in his behavior signals that other men are being removed from the competition. A woman that offers a rate card might be cheaper and quicker but she also will have more clients. I think most men are probably unhappy with that.

> Adoption

Another easy one for me. I have never seen either the biological mother nor the adopting parents having any issues with exchanging money for the baby. India has black markets for this and also very reputed and highly respected people in society working as arbitrators.

The only people who have problems appears to be those who do not have skin in the game. The politicians and busybodies. Also baptist and bootlegger effect where social works and attorneys also want those regulations.

> Surrogacy

Same as adoption.

> commercial but not altruistic surrogacy

This is same as "lets ban alcohol but let only government run stores selling it" effect. People still want kids. Create an exception and give government authority to decide if you quality for that exception through a paper trail. I think close examination will those that the altruism is nothing but exchange of money or favors.

> Hospitality

Same as first case of dinner date. It is not about food but rather the time the couple has put in to invite you over and spend time with you. It is also about which people the other couple does not spend their time with. If you offer them $40 as worth of the dinner it would be insulting as they think their time, decision to chose you over others etc. is worth lot more.

They however might be very happy to take other things such as reference letter for their children's college applications, recommending a good real estate agent or car mechanic etc. They probably want a small timeshare of your intelligence and life experiences rather than your $40.

In short these problems appear to be in two categories:

1. People with no skin in the game having an opinion about exchanging money for certain services. They have an incentive to virtue signal without losing anything for it.

2. Failure to see the real value goods/services being exchanged and just looking at the sticker price.

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As for explaining it ... as far as trading dinners or other hospitality, money suddenly sets an exact explicit value on the matter, where trading dinners doesn't. If the CEO of my employer invited me over for dinner (suppose it's a 10 man company and everyone is on a first name basis) and I reciprocated, I think there is an acceptance of my dinner not being as fancy, not as directly comparable. But if I pay him $40, that's me saying how much it was worth in a much more direct manner, and even it it were socially acceptable, it would almost certainly not match his own valuations. Or suppose the CEO invited me over for a sit down dinner and I reciprocated by inviting him to a BBQ -- the difference would almost be better because it makes a direct comparison impossible.

Suppose the CEO invites several people to dinner, from different pay grades -- receptionist, factory supervisor, VP. Everyone will expect different pay levels. Whoever pays first will set the tone for the others, and the receptionist is going to feel out of place no matter what.

I can't explain surrogacy or organ transplant prohibitions except as some very weak offshoot of not paying for hospitality. After all, if I take a taxi to the CEO's dinner, I have to pay him because he's not part of the "free" dinner. In that same way, the doctors, nurses, payroll clerks, and other hospital staff are going to get paid regardless, but the donor is the guest, and expecting the guest to pay would be really bad manners, so it just changes to not paying the guest to show up. It's a lousy explanation, but it's the best I have. FWIW, I think it's incredibly stupid to not pay surrogate mothers or organ donors.

Maybe it's as if a company has a tradition that the CEO always invited the employee of the month over to dinner. This could be seen as an imposition, and it would probably include a wife, but not kids, and now the guest has to pay for a babysitter. Should the CEO offer to pay for that?

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