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As for the third libertarian line of argument, sir, you say: "Since public property includes almost the entire highway system, that makes it hard for an immigrant not approved by the government to do anything in the country much beyond employment in a farm on the border."

Well, actually... America is a federation and hwhilst most roads are owned by some government. But not necessarily the federal government. Yes, the interstate is owned by the federal government. But most local roads are not. And you can actually get around quite a bit without taking the interstate. (I can attest to this as my girlfriend is too scared to drive on the Interstate!)

Consider the San Francisco Bay Area (which I believe you are familiar with):

* SFO airport is owned by the City and County of San Francisco

* The streets of San Francisco are owned by the city of San Francisco

* BART trains are owned by the BART district.

* Other local streets in the Bay Area are owned by local cities and counties in the Bay Area

* State roads are owned by the State of California

* Bay Area businesses are private entities owned by individuals, partnerships or shareholders

* There are many private landlords in the Bay Area and perhaps some public housing owned by the State of California, local governments, etc. Little, if any, housing in the Bay Area is owned by the Federal government.

* California is a "Sanctuary State"

* San Francisco and Berkeley are "Sanctuary cities."

So, if an immigrant named Juan were to fly into SFO airport and take a BART train into San Francisco, take a job from a private employer willing to hire them and rent from a landlord willing to rent to them (assuming the BART district has no objections to fare-paying, rule-abiding immigrants riding their trains), what business is it of the Federal government or voters in Arizona, for example? None!

Obviously, this isn't a slam-dunk argument in favour of open-borders across America, but, simply if Joe the "bordertarian" is opposed to immigration along the lines of the third argument you mentioned, he should not block one or the State of California, private landlords, private businesses, BART or the city of San Francisco from interacting with Juan. He should allow open borders in San Francisco if that's what San Francisco wants! And that is hwhat San Francisco (and San Franciscans) wants. Even if Joe happens to live in San Francisco and doesn't want this, too bad! Majority rules, right Joe? If the majority owners of a corporation vote to allow something, it's allowed. If the majority owners of San Francisco vote to allow something, it should be allowed. Right, Joe?

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forumposter123@protonmail.com's avatar

1) only whites (and specifically white men) have ever supported libertarianism in any reasonable numbers.

Low iq browns support welfarism.

High iq Asians are better but not particularly libertarian, far more collectivists.

2) browns are indeed net welfare recipients on a large scale and consistently vote for welfare expansion, these are just facts

3) attempts to deny welfare of franchisee to immigrants haven’t worked for reasons that should be obvious. Prop 187 did t work in California

Why guess at the fact? We can see that California has become a leftist shithole because if Mexicans.

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