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Boring Radical Centrism's avatar

I am a libertarian because I'm an utilitarian, and I think libertarianism gives the best outcomes today. There's no universal law saying that must be true though, that's just how it is. If we lived in a world where there was a supernatural higher being that regularly interfered, perhaps living in a theocratic authoritarian state where we ensured no one violated that higher being's rules would result in better outcomes, to get that higher being's favour. If we lived in a world with superintelligent AI, perhaps centrally planning the economy around that AI's advice would result in better outcomes. There are probably other examples of other circumstances where alternative ideologies result in better outcomes than libtertarianism according to utilitarianism.

But in general, I think libertarianism long term result in the best outcomes for humanity. All the problems we pose, I think can be solved by saying libertarianism is just a tool of utilitarianism, not its own terminal value. And we stop using that tool when it's not useful. We can find another method to best fund and run a military that results in the best outcomes, we can find another method for law enforcement, for property rights, and so on, there is no reason we should need to bind our entire society to libertarianism.

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William H Stoddard's avatar

Where criminal penalties are concerned, my quick sketch of an answer might look something like this:

* In general, the better course of action is to confer benefits on those who have benefitted you (to enable them to do so again, and to motivate them) but to confer harms or threats on those who harm harmed or threatened you (to avoid the Danegeld problem).

* This sort of exchange can be viewed as a market, and one that may have a market clearing price of a kind. If your penalty for stealing a sheep is to be fined a sheep, you have an incentive to steal sheep. As the penalty becomes steeper, fewer sheep are stolen. If we assume that inflicted harsher penalties, or penalties with greater certainty, make penalizing more costly, there will eventually be a point where punishing the thief is more trouble than it's worth.

* Our sense of what is a fair penalty is shaped by experience with penalizing over the years or centuries.

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