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Nate Shumway's avatar

Any discussion of US foreign policy regarding Ukraine should begin in the 1990s, not in 2022. Consider the incompetent foreign policy demonstrated by the Obama administration in 2014. Without US interference then, it's unlikely that we would see any Russian invasion in the first place.

It's also worth noting that the Ukrainian support is not to the Ukrainian people but the Ukrainian establishment. This distinction is particularly relevant considering that Ukraine is conscripting its people. They do not choose to fight Russia's invasion.

For a more nuanced and thorough discussion of the Ukraine war, I highly John Mearsheimer's substack.

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Boring Radical Centrism's avatar

Interventionism is good because it can be very useful to be proactive about threats. The cases where interventionism failed, and turned a small problem into a big problem, e.g. condemning Italy's African imperialism which made them side with the Nazis or in invading Iraq only to realize they weren't actively building large numbers of WMD, are obvious. The cases where interventionism prevent small problems from becoming big problems are harder to see though. How many countries decide not to build nukes because they fear becoming sanctioned like North Korea or invaded like Iraq? How many countries avoid commiting genocide on a minority population because they fear being bombed like Serbia?

Also, in a more cynical sense, while there are large costs in money and lives in going to war, there are also benefits besides whatever the explicit military goal is. It keeps the military sharp and experienced, and will make fighting any future wars easier. It is useful to be seen to come to the aid of our allies too, so they will want to stay our allies and other countries will want to become our allies. While the US today might be the strongest military and might not need allies to win a defensive war, there's no guarantee that China won't be able to overtake the US and allies would be needed to win a war against China, even allies that aren't meeting their spending obligations. Or even if China doesn't overtake the US, maybe they could form their own alliance that is capable of defeating a lone USA.

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