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Andy G's avatar

I am with you, in particular on the idea that the public policy proposals of the leftists here are for the most part insane.

But to steelman the one legit/reasonable leftist argument, the focus should be on the (small) probability that the destabilized (2 then 3 degrees of warming which then leads to rapid acceleration from there…) case might occur.

And you and I at least probably agree that the chance is small. But non-zero.

But then you need to ask the 3rd question: will the leftist policy prescriptions be the difference between avoiding that “destabilized” case or not. The Paris Accords if implemented fully by everyone will supposedly reduce global average temperatures by between 0.1 and 0.3 degrees. What are the odds that THAT would be the difference between destabilization and not? Vanishingly small imo. And the odds that the world would agree on the energy consumption reduction needed to *actually* have a chance of making the difference between destabilization and not are also incredibly tiny.

And THAT is my issue with most of the leftist policy prescriptions here - especially the immoral immediate constriction of supply of fossil fuels preventing the billions of the world’s poorest from better access to highly available reliable low cost energy. The chances they will actually help are minimal, but the harm to the overall economy, and especially to the world’s poorest in the short and medium term, is significant.

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Max More's avatar

On the assumption, implicit or explicit, that the recent/pre-industrial temperature is optimal, see Roger Pielke's piece: https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/when-the-climate-was-perfect

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