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Chartertopia's avatar

Interesting view of intelligence shifting from fluid to crystallized as we get older. I've had somewhat the same thoughts but from the other end. I grew up in a rural area, and we climbed everything in sight, especially trees. After a while, we only climbed trees we hadn't climbed before. After more while, only types of trees we hadn't climbed before. And after a while, we stopped climbing trees. I don't know if I'd call that crystallizing our tree-climbing experience, but it does seem related. "Been there, done that" also comes to mind.

I became a computer programmer. At first, every new computer (like during the RISC vs CISC wars) meant ordering the manuals and studying the instructions of computers I would never program. Every new language was something more to experiment with; I remember especially Java on Linux and spending a year or two expanding on a single useless program just for the fun of playing with a new language, and never using Java in any job. But then Perl replaced basic shell utilities (grep, sort, awk, sed, ...) and a job which used nothing but Perl, and when Python, Ruby, Haskell, and some others came out, they were interesting to learn about, but not to learn, and only for a few weeks; actually using them for serious experimentation was no longer interesting.

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David, a quote from your actual essay:

>There is an alternative view of the status of normative beliefs for which I can offer no adequate rebuttal: moral nihilism. According to that position, nothing is good or bad, virtuous or wicked. Moral beliefs are neither true nor false. The consistency of those beliefs, at the level at which they are consistent, is due not to moral reality but evolutionary biology. Humans have evolved those hardwired moral beliefs whose possession led to reproductive success in the environment in which we evolved, along the general lines of the previous chapter. Since we are all descended from ancestors who evolved under roughly similar circumstances we are all hardwired with about the same beliefs, with the exception of a small minority of defectives, the equivalent of people with the misfortune to be born blind. While the blind have the misfortune of being unable to perceive some features of physical reality, psychopaths have the misfortune, or sometimes the fortune, of failing to share the useful illusions of the rest of us.

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If evolution is true, and applies to the mind, then this has to be true. If moral realities existed and we were able to perceive them through some form of intuition, and they damaged our reproductive success, then we'd have evolved out the ability to perceive them.

So we can "intuitively perceive the moral truth" if and only if it aided our reproductive success in the environment in which we evolved.

Hell of a coincidence, that.

Don't you see the problem with this? You've got two explanations for the same thing, and one of them is nice and physical and kind of has to be true, and the other one is an appeal to magic.

It reminds me of religious people claiming that God set up the whole system so that man would evolve in his own image. Wishful thinking.

It is sometimes a very bad, very dangerous mistake to believe something only because you want it to be true.

This is one of those cases, because we are on the verge of creating new minds. Will they be compelled by the universal morality? Or will they simply act according to whatever utility function we have accidentally given them, as rational agents do?

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