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dotyloykpot's avatar

Another issue with Tarrifs as warfare, is that even if the enemy is obvious, and tarrifs clearly shift the balance of power against the enemy, the political incentive for politicians is to use tarrifs for personal rather than public benefit. This is clearly happening with Trump, because even accepting the argument for tarrifs, as actually implemented Trump is using them to horestrade favors.

Noah Smith (an economics blogger) in specific made this error- he has been in favor of tarrifs and industrial policy for a long time, but the actual implementation of them under Biden and Trump has been for hanging out favors rather than addressing the equity and security concerns.

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I don’t think you’re understanding the popular view of tariffs accurately. Real wages in China are far lower than in America, even when you account for exchange rates. It doesn’t have to be much more complicated than this. Your last piece said this is comparing height to weight, which is why I bring up the “aloof academic bit.” Wages paid to Chinese workers, when converted to dollars, are substantially lower than wages earned by American workers. It’s not pounds to inches, it’s inches to centimeters. That’s the actual objection and your previous post tried to wave it away with “exchange rates.” Am I wrong that if real wages earned by Chinese employees were equal to their American equivalent (subject to change rates), the trade deficit wouldn’t be there? If there’s more to this, please help me understand. I’m open to it being far more subtle than I’m thinking, but I know people outsource jobs to get cheaper labor, and you seem to be handwaving that away as not real.

Yes, I get that dollars in have to equal dollars out, but what this means in practice is, US stocks and real estate go up, while demand for low skill labor goes down. This is obviously a great deal if you have lots of real estate and stocks. It’s just as obviously a bad deal if you don’t have those things and all you have to offer is a willingness to work on things that don’t demand above average intelligence.

Yes, if you lump countries together as uniform blocks i can see the numbers balance out. Is it really a surprise that large groups of people who can’t find work and don’t own houses and stocks, aren’t going to be consoled by the idea that “on net, “we all come out ahead?”

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