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Andy G's avatar

"If the party is seen as visibly supporting Trump, as it will be by anyone who listened to McArdle’s webbed talk, it will be seen as sharing the responsibility for all of his actions, some of them far from libertarian."

I have no great issue with the rest of your piece, including its core premise. Utterly reasonable.

But the second half of the quote above is just not true. Heck, other Democrat politicians are not always seen as sharing the responsibility for the actions of Democrat presidents!

Those who voted for Trump do not share responsibility for his every action. Politics has never been this way. Whether political campaigners try to spin things this way or not.

This is the rare time that you are suggesting that people are stupid. With your use of the passive ("will be seen as"), you imply that others are without agency or a brain.

You are also violating Bastiat's "the unseen" principle here as well, in a way that most ordinary people even do not. They understood the choice was between Trump and Kamala, not between Trump and a libertarian candidate and not between Trump and a generic non-person as candidate.

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I don't agree that the Socialists were the reason the mainstream parties became more socialist. I believe they did so because politicians, by definition, are authoritarians who like telling everyone else what to do, and governments are the perfect vehicle for doing so. Socialists merely provided new excuses for expanding government.

"True" libertarians will never have that success, because they preach that people can solve problems on their own, and the last thing any bureaucrat or politician wants is to solve the problems that put them in power. Spreading the idea that people don't need government goes against their very way of life.

That is why I do not approve of the Mises takeover. I don't expect the LP to win any nation-wide political contests, or even state-wide. A few county elections, maybe. Inviting Trump to speak didn't bother me; trying to explicitly trade LP support, to tell LP members to vote for Trump, was the end of my support for the LP.

I want a national party that has principles and doesn't care about currying favor with the kleptocrats. If a libertarian is elected to some county board of supervisors or a city council, I don't expect someone who demands his right to come to meetings nude and smoking pot. I expect a push for fiscal responsibility, reining in police abuses, and holding civil servants to account. Rand Paul and Thomas Massie are doing about the best they can, and that is good enough for me. Oliver Chase? Give me a break. Joy whats-her-name? No thanks. Gary Johnson was OK the first time, with hints of Rand Paul and Thomas Massie, but the second time he insisted on Weld, and that was terrible.

I want a part with principles, to shame the other parties, and the current LP is not that.

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