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Robert Vroman's avatar

"boors" twist presumably valid stats to fit their prejudices, while "wimps" know those facts are wildly irrelevant to the underlying problem, if any even actually exists.

Ie this typical chain of argument, usually not explicitly spelled out past step 1.

1. "Black Americans commit significantly disproportionate per capita murders."

2. "This is due to some innate flaw of black people."

3. "Therefore we should ignore all complaints from black activists."

This conclusion does not follow even if 1 and 2 were face value true, because variations within a sub-population, good or bad, obviously does not justify curtailing the entire group’s political rights.

But #2 is false, the predominant cause of black murders is prohibition.

The drug war creates incentive for people with the least other opportunities to engage in low barrier market, without protection of any civil justice institutions. Knowing that people in the drug trade cannot go to police in case of theft or murder, means they are particularly vulnerable to anyone willing to risk violence to take their job or just whatever contraband/cash they happen to be holding. In America, due to several centuries of lifetime legal theft committed against blacks, they are the ones with the least capital, and eventually ended up concentrated in urban areas with convenient access to most customers. Its not that there are so many black killers, its there’s so many easy black targets.

If for some historical reason the Atlantic slave trade never occurred, and there were say 99% fewer blacks in America, but we enacted the same drug laws, then the same murders would be committed in the same turf struggles today, but by whatever white people shook out as poorest, and most willing to risk death to fill this govt-contrived niche.

So yes, black people commit many more murders, and there’s no reason for a libertarian to deny that, but instead use this as proof of monstrous government interventions, past and present, that led to their situation.

Otoh, I’m aware of very few black activists calling for full drug legalization. Instead they fixate on secondary problems like police brutality, or counter productive solutions like doubling the minimum wage.

I’m similarly not aware of any libertarian thinkers, either side, going out of their way to actually talk directly to black community about how government is making their lives worse.

So rather than dismiss the plight of black inner city dwellers, go talk to them!

This phenomenon is even worse re: immigration where the problems that boors bang on about don’t really exist. People fleeing objectively bad governments are low hanging fruit to convert, if anyone from either of our camps made the slightest effort.

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Steve Witham's avatar

I think of wimps, leftists, boors, and rightists as *guilty*. There are some responsibilities you don't get out of by caring about people, by despising people, by gushing with respect, or ignoring or satirizing ideas that smell unfamiliar to you. You don't escape intellectual responsibility by not liking, or for that matter liking, people's personalities, tribes, bank balances, or styles. And if you want to be considered a libertarian, you don't win points by spending most of your time scheming to out-politic, or fearing you're being out-politicked by, others. The people who catch my attention think and talk about people as if they were people, and try to appeal specifically to the intellectual honesty (or its potential) in people, and want to be called on it if they fall short.

An example of someone I disagree with about half the time, yet who seems to actually care to do (his version of) *the thing*, is Freddy deBoer.

The point is that *guilt*: that preference for habits, personalities, appearances, paranoia, and tribe membership... anything *except* facts, when (as often), it's facts and the best generalizations of or conclusions from facts, that matter. I love personalities, styles, obscurities, appearances, weird cultural phenomena, etc., but if there's that crater, that managing-not-to-address, right at the center of the target of what matters, that's guilt.

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